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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 24, 2011 6:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

Top 5 All Time bassist?!?!?!? Add a few zeroes and yo umight be closer to fine. Good thing no one here is allergic to hyperbole.

In no particular order except Jaco at the head of the class:

Jaco Pastorius
Charlse Mingus
Paul McCartney
Eddie Gomez
Barry Bales
Stanley Clarke
Victor Wooten
Roger Waters
Marshall Wilborn
Geddy Lee
Charlie Haden
Byron House
Les Claypool
Brynn Davie
Missy Raines
Geezer Butler
Ron Carter
Jack Bruce
Verdine White

You get the point. All of the above have a much choicer spot in line than Jack.

I would agree that Jack is ahead of Phil though....

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Nov 24, 2011 5:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

I was just gonna hollar cause no Mingus. Just saw it so Scott Lafaro and Les Claypool.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 24, 2011 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

"Add a few zeroes and yo umight be closer to fine. Good thing no one here is allergic to hyperbole."

what an absurd statement.


since this has turned into a greatest bassist thread, here's a few that should have been mentioned by now:

entwistle
chris squire
john paul jones
tony levin
george porter jr.
flea

and some legendary session men:
louis johnson
marcus miller
anthony jackson

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 25, 2011 9:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

You have just reinforced my point by listing 9 players who are octaves ahead of Jack...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 25, 2011 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

Did you notice how this thread went from tuna to bass? Something fishy going on...

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 25, 2011 11:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

What else would you expect from the King of the Deep?

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Nov 25, 2011 4:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

i suppose we look for different things in a bassist. technical chops isn't all too important for me. i was being a bit generous to mr. casady with my top 5 statement, but i think you also underestimate him a tad. he changed the way people looked at playing bass. his melodic playing just really does it for me.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 25, 2011 4:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

FWIW, in the late 60s/early 70s, JackC was regarded by many in the Bay Area as one of the truly talented players (any instrument), as was Phil, to emerge. I always thought it was why so much was expected of HTuna, and so much less of JStarship given his move in 72 (though they'd formed HT in 69 or so, I don't think he stopped playing with JA til the very early 70s). Though he did eventually play with Starship, in the mid-70s they really missed him, IMO.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 24, 2011 7:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

At risk of incurring the wrath of the master of the deep I'm going to pitch in here on the side of Casady and deniro (and I bet the young fellow never thought he'd read those words). Jack delivers no question about it in my mind.

There is a question in my mind about Pastorius though - undeniably talented he may be but he just doesn't get under my skin and move me so I couldn't rank him as the best. Just another example of technical brilliance not equating necessarily with greatness, at least so far as my ears are concerned.

Any room in your heart for Duck Dunn or Lemmy?

Oh,and I think Roger Waters is pedestrian at best. You can't really say Gilmour et al missed him very much when he packed his ego and jumped the Floyd ship.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 24, 2011 8:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

"Any room in your heart for Duck Dunn or Lemmy?"

absotivley posilutely

and to fill out the triumvirate of most underrated bassists I'll add...The God of Thunder, AKA Tim Bogert(Vanilla Fudge, Cactus and Beck, Bogert & Appice.)

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Nov 24, 2011 10:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

Larry Grahm-Sly and the Family Stone
James Jamerson-Motown
Cordell Mosson-Funkadelic/P-Funk(the real bassist in the band)

Jazz
Fred Hopkins
Richard Davis
William Parker
Paul Chambers
Dave Holland
Henry Grimes

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 24, 2011 11:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

Nice to see the Larry Graham mention.

Since I'm obviously a misogynist, please make sure no one mentions these ladies that are currently tearing it up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Alo3Zpqmmc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPp5Z1YuJUM&;feature=related

Any thread about bassists that doesn't give Mike Watt a passing mention is suspect...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Nov 24, 2011 11:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

So how about Hugh Hopper?

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Nov 24, 2011 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

Esperanza is the real deal,and as you said about Mike Watt the same goes for Carol Kaye,check out her credentials on bass.

http://www.carolkaye.com/www/library/basshits.htm

And on Guitar

http://www.carolkaye.com/www/library/guitarhits.htm


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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Nov 25, 2011 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

Just thought I would acknowledge some excellent mentions,Dunn,Laswell and Hopper are all integral to any bass player list.Hopper being least well known deserves much praise as does his band Soft Machine,for being cutting edge and creating new and vibrant music for decades.I had two tapes with Hugh,one with him in a trio with Lol Coxhill and another with Peter Brotzman and other folks,and I would play them for people and inevitably the question of who the bass player was would arise followed by much praise and whether they knew him or not vows to listen to his other music.Here is a snippet of the best bassist I have ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM5peSeXoBY

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Poster: utopian Date: Nov 24, 2011 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

He is credited with inventing the slap

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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 24, 2011 6:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

Gordon Matthew Thomas Sumner is no slouch

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 25, 2011 7:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

Jaco is seated alone because he never let himself be limited to using the bass simply as tuned percussion. Watch the solo in "Donna Lee" - the freak uses horn phrasings! On a bass! Continuum is another mind-numbing arrangement of uncontemporary bass playing.

Either one of these works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKYzva1Ltnw&;feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4rfe5xHCIg

Donald Duck Dunn should certainly be on any list with 'bass player' and 'greatest' in the title. I get what you're saying about Waters....I think Gilmour brought out the best in him.

I put bluegrass and jazz bassists well ahead of Jack not because they were doing anything new - but in consideration of the sheer speed they play on an acoustic. As far as I'm concerned, Jack couldn't carry Missy Raines' empty case.

Which is probably a true statement anyway because it is both bigger and weighs more than Jack.

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Poster: utopian Date: Nov 24, 2011 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

I can understand your comments on jaco. His catalog of songs can leave you wanting something more, but I would probably say he was top of the heap. Watching mist of his YouTube vids, as well as the embarrassing ones, can be more impressive than the albums. You know he played bass on some rickie lee jones recordings?

My favorite jaco is the 3 piece with Hiram Bullock and Trilock Gurtu.

---/
Phil>Cassidy
Mc cartney?

Peace

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Nov 24, 2011 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

Here is Trilok with Pharoah Sanders and Jean Paul Bourelly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TerRxq7IyOQ

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Poster: Jacky Hughes Date: Nov 24, 2011 1:59pm
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Lots of room in my heart for Donald 'Duck' Dunn.

No room in anyone's heart for Bootsie Collins ?
Or Chuck Rainey ?

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Nov 25, 2011 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

Bootsy and Verdine tuned their basses with strings dipped and wound in funk....

They oozed the attar of funky coolness....

This post was modified by Mandojammer on 2011-11-25 17:57:06

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 24, 2011 2:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

Bill Laswell?

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Poster: utopian Date: Nov 24, 2011 3:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: My Favorite Piece of Tuna

Ambient translations of marley in dub - bill laswell

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 24, 2011 7:59am
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Ha--I have to admit to not having spent enough time with it over the years, having latched on to Jack B, Jack C, and Phil, early on, BUT your exchange caught my eye because I always recall only two thirds of the quote: snobbish Jack B (he was/is) said the three greatest bass players (late 60s timeframe) were Pastorius, himself, and...and...that's the one I can't recall!? Crap.

It's in an interview, but in any case, I agree with you: having heard him say it, I investigated, and never got anything, emotionally speaking, from Pastorius, that I do from JB, JC & our own PL.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 24, 2011 5:19pm
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Cant link from here but watch the Pooneil from night at the family dog. Cassadys solo is HUGE. Who else was playing the bass like that? Ripping cords and attacking the bass